ok so i have already been talked to about this and i always have difficulty finding a retort.
my friend/elder condtantly tells me to visit bethel to prove its gods org--efficient, obedient, loving place, yadda yadda.
and he also uses how many go out and preach the same message, how no matter where you go youll get the same loving treatment, follow the bible as best they can (ha), show lots of love, do t celebrate pagan holidays, etc etc.
What was the subject before he asked the questions? Was he looking for a diversion, a subject he is more comfortable with?
JWs do not want to talk about anything problematic, so if you let him sleaze his way out of every tricky topic, you'll never get him to confront anything worthwhile.
And you don't have to answer all his questions. He is the one claiming to belong to a church that can save your sorry arse from his killer god, so make him answer your question (note: singular).
for me it was the book!
it opened my eyes.
i started it thinking it would just enlighten me about how the organisation works.
Bought a copy online. Still waiting for my wife to want to read it.
so i've been sharing some a little at a time with my sister.
she is married and very scared of actually learning too much.
she doesn't want to ruin her marriage.
Ask her questions then let her do the research to find the answers.
Read Jeremiah 25:12 and think of what questions you could ask that could make her realise that it contradicts WT chronology and the KJV/NWT versions of 29:10
Ask her to draw up a king list from Nebuchadnessar to Nabonidus showing which king reigned in each year and recording her sources so that it is easy to go back and check for any mistakes.
last week friday i was delayed in going to work, for which i am glad.
it was an opportunity for me to help my gran one last time.
she thanked me, told me she loved me and that i would be very blessed.
It's so nice you were there for her.
My condolences go to you and your family.
Chris
so tonight my wife looked iver the wt for tomorrow.
she said what she got out of it was that apostates are negative murmurers who can cause you to question jehovah and his earthly org and that it reminded her of the negativity caused when i told her i read ray franz's book.
she said it caused me to question service, family worship night, and praying together.
A bit of shut up is very good.
You can't talk sense with a frightened cult member, so don't frighten her.
say a person wants to start making fellow jws think and open up their eyes so they decide to just repeat what they have read on some apostate site but deny any agreement with what read.
how many times do you think he could do it before being called into a committee, and eventually be disfellowshipped?.
how long could someone last playing that cat and mouse game walking on the edge repeating apostate criticism but denying agreement?.
If you want them to think you have to ask them questions they think they can answer, but can't, not tell them stuff they have been warned not to listen to.
It's better if they discover the WT hasn't really answered the question and find jwfacts & co. while using Google to find the missing answer. Better for you, better for them.
Thinking = good
Blocking = bad
that text reminds me of one of a handful of problems peculiar to the ex-jw community.
second only to the wild beast's internal divisions, is the divided makeup of the ex-jw populace.
you know the one thing that indicates jehovah's blessing upon the worldwide association of kingdom proclaimers, is not only the continued success of the preaching work, but along with it the unity and love amongst the brothers and sisters.
"Some of you I believe Armageddon didn't come on your stopwatch and so you gave up. It was all about petting a Panda bear for you or having a wildebeest farm."
I know where you got that idea from. It's been parroted by the Watchtower every time members start leaving after their pretend god has demonstrated his non existance by not showing up to do what the Watchtower leaders pretended he promised he would do.
NWT 1 Kings 18:27 And it came about at noon that E·li′jah began to mock them and say: “Call at the top of YOUR voice, for he is a god; for he must be concerned with a matter, and he has excrement and has to go to the privy.
i have just seen in the flesh , or paper , the new nwt .
my witness friends were delighted with it showing me all the new features like the glossary of terms and explanations of the hows and whys .
i did ask about actual content , acting daft not letting on that i knew anything about it .
It isn't up to us to provide evidence of the non existance of something that doesn't exist. It is up to the person making the claim to provide evidence that it does exist.
What we can do is encourage them into the mental effort and research to prove the non existance to themselves.
for the ones based in britain only the "few" were invited to attend the agm .they received their new grey bible and the rumor was that the new bible will not be available for the rest of the congragations until january .it was confirmed tonight .a letter was read as local announcement that the new bibles will not be available until the end of january for the rest of the congragation .all the in crowd were sat there with their new flashy bible looking smug.also the bible reading was read from the new bible to make it all the more obvious ..... the real aftermath of agm....
I guess they wouldn't be too happy that I have one already then?
what a great way to divide the sheep and goats, both within and outside the great flock!
jehovah has given us new light.
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Grey
